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crtique my build please
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trunty
I love my Chevy Chevette!
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| Joined: 01/09
Posted: 01/25/09 05:05 AM
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My dad and I are upgrading to big block power in his 1-ton chevy trail/mud vehicle. We are wanting gobs (relative) torque as early in the power band as possible and have drafted this build. This is all on a 2-bolt 454 out of a '78 pickup and we are hoping for 400hp/500ft/lb of torque. Can any of you critique the elements of our build and do two things? 1. Estimate the output numbers and 2. suggest alternative elements for better power? Proposed engine specs are below.
Engine Summary Goal: Bad ass stump puller Engine Type: 1978 C-3500 454 built to a 460 Operating Range: 0-5000 RPM HP/Torque: 400/500 Displacement: 460 Cubic Inch Compression ratio: 8.7 Bore: 4.250” + 0.30” = 4.280” Stroke: 4.00
Block ID: GM 10T 861959 Hi Perf Pass Production Year: 1978 Bore: 4.250” + 0.30” = 4.280” Main Caps: Two-bolt
Cylinder Heads Type: OEM 781 ID: 336781 Port Type: Oval Combustion Chamber: 118 CC Intake: 256 CC Exhaust: 114 CC
Intake Manifold Type: Edelbrock Performer ID: 2161 Operating Range: 0-5500 RPM Ports: Oval
Camshaft (Not sure about this cam...) Type: Edelbrock Performer-Plus ID: 2162 Operating Range: 1500-5500
Pistons Type: Open to suggestions ID: Oversize: + 0.30 Stroke: 4.00 Compression: 8.7
Once again, any thoughts on the expected output numbers and critiques you may have are welcome. Also, even though this is a budget build is there anything relatively affordable that I missed that would be worth it? How would all of this hold up in a 2-bolt main? Worth machining it to a 4-bolt?
Thanks again!
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trunty
I love my Chevy Chevette!
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| Joined: 01/09
Posted: 01/25/09 05:38 AM
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Forgot to mention that we will likely be running hedman headers. Also, another cam we are considering is CompCams Xtreme 4x4™, X4 254H
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JW454
V-6 Camaros rule!
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| Joined: 08/08
Posted: 01/25/09 10:51 PM
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The 781 heads are a good choice for bottom and mid range power. Take time and bowl blend the valve pockets, clean the short turn radius, gasket match and these heads really come to life. Do not be fooled by literature that claims these heads to have 118cc comb. chambers. They usually have at least 121cc's. Keep this in mind when you figure in the compression ratio. I used to run a Edelbrock Performer cam in one of my 454's and with a 9.5:1 comp ratio, it made incredible torque and peaked out at 5300 rpm. I have a Comp Extreme 4x4 254H in my crew cab dually with 10:1 comp ratio and 781 heads with the mod's I talked about before and it's quite the monster! Check it out on youtube (A169KL) and see it in action. One piece I always use on a block that is not zero decked is the .020 steel shim head gasket. The block was designed to have this gasket in place and if you think about "quench" being perfect in the .038-.040 range, the .020 gasket is the only way to go. Dont let anyone tell you it's "old school" or they dont hold up. Chevy used them for years and never had problems and neither have I. If you use a composition head gasket, usually around .040 and a - .020 deck height, you now have .060 clearance and that's way to much for maximum power and effiency. I always run forged pistons in my builds with file fit rings but there is nothing wrong with a good hyperuetectic piston for a moderate build. If you file fit your rings on a hyper piston, the top gap must be filed wide, usually around .022. Are you useing stock 3/8 bolt rods? If you plan on getting new rod bolts and resizing, then consider a set of Eagle SIR rods. There much stronger and cost the same as fixing your old ones. Good luck on your build. JW.
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trunty
I love my Chevy Chevette!
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| Joined: 01/09
Posted: 01/26/09 06:39 PM
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Sweet! Nice dually. We were planning on using the stock bolts because we havent really thought about it. Thank you very much for you thoughts and advice. It will truly help us with this build.
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JW454
V-6 Camaros rule!
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Posted: 01/27/09 02:45 AM
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No problem. Good luck! JW.
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cathleen
My first time was in a Chevy
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| Joined: 11/08
Posted: 02/04/09 03:24 PM
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I would just stroke it to a 496 with a cheap cast kit. some how a 496 like yours is cranking out 750hp! with your heads ported. But you'd probably be at 600 atleast with 600ftlbs of torque.
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cathleen
My first time was in a Chevy
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Posted: 02/04/09 03:25 PM
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you should get 500hp and 500ftlbs of torque though which should be enough to light up the tires
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